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	<title>Comments on: eircom&#8217;s webmasters suck</title>
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		<title>By: Ken Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to this site in FireFox and sure enough that message was displayed. So you are right on that count.

I clicked on the OK button for further information where I read that they are referring to the Password Manager functionality found in Netscape and Firefox.  The name of the function that causes the message is even called showNetscapePasswordManagerPage.

It's perfectly true that in FireFox and Netscape, unless you have a master password set for the Password Manager, someone could bring up the Password Manager dialog box and click on the 'Show Passwords' button to see what passwords are being stored.

Konqueror also has Password Manager functionality - so there's no reason to think that the eircom.ie webmaster has got things wrong at all with regards to identifying browsers that have this functionality. 
Though they should mention that setting a master password which FireFox et al would then require you to type in when using the Password Manager's functions. 
And they should have the message properly identify/name the browser being used - it should say FireFox, or Konqueror if that's the name of the browser that you are using to view the site.

Any browser that has the ability to show you what passwords are used for the sites you visit should only do so if you have a master password set - that's what the problem is and  I'd like to think if Internet Explorer also had similar Password Manager functionality that users of that browser would get a similar message.

So in regards to this aspect, Netscape, Firefox and Konqueror are insecure. 

It seems to me that they wish to safeguard against any chance of someone discovering what your eircom password is, so I personally I think they ought to be applauded for bringing this to the public's attention, not ridiculed. 
Again they do need to fix their bug so that the message doesn't always say 'Netscape' but that seems a relatively minor issue.

Just my two cents on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to this site in FireFox and sure enough that message was displayed. So you are right on that count.</p>
<p>I clicked on the OK button for further information where I read that they are referring to the Password Manager functionality found in Netscape and Firefox.  The name of the function that causes the message is even called showNetscapePasswordManagerPage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s perfectly true that in FireFox and Netscape, unless you have a master password set for the Password Manager, someone could bring up the Password Manager dialog box and click on the &#8216;Show Passwords&#8217; button to see what passwords are being stored.</p>
<p>Konqueror also has Password Manager functionality - so there&#8217;s no reason to think that the eircom.ie webmaster has got things wrong at all with regards to identifying browsers that have this functionality.<br />
Though they should mention that setting a master password which FireFox et al would then require you to type in when using the Password Manager&#8217;s functions.<br />
And they should have the message properly identify/name the browser being used - it should say FireFox, or Konqueror if that&#8217;s the name of the browser that you are using to view the site.</p>
<p>Any browser that has the ability to show you what passwords are used for the sites you visit should only do so if you have a master password set - that&#8217;s what the problem is and  I&#8217;d like to think if Internet Explorer also had similar Password Manager functionality that users of that browser would get a similar message.</p>
<p>So in regards to this aspect, Netscape, Firefox and Konqueror are insecure. </p>
<p>It seems to me that they wish to safeguard against any chance of someone discovering what your eircom password is, so I personally I think they ought to be applauded for bringing this to the public&#8217;s attention, not ridiculed.<br />
Again they do need to fix their bug so that the message doesn&#8217;t always say &#8216;Netscape&#8217; but that seems a relatively minor issue.</p>
<p>Just my two cents on the matter.</p>
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