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	<title>Comments on: review: Pro PHP &#8211; Patterns, Frameworks, Testing and More</title>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Frameworks</title>
		<link>http://verens.com/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Frameworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 6 members originally found by JakeScott on 2008-08-20  review: Pro PHP - Patterns, Frameworks, Testing and More  http://verens.com/archives/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/ - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 6 members originally found by JakeScott on 2008-08-20  review: Pro PHP &#8211; Patterns, Frameworks, Testing and More  <a href="http://verens.com/archives/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/" rel="nofollow">http://verens.com/archives/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/</a> &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kae Verens</title>
		<link>http://verens.com/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>Kae Verens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Doug - my experience is in the actually programming of stuff (PHP, JavaScript, etc); not in how to make it look good. I wouldn&#039;t know where to start with that - maybe take a read through &lt;a href=&quot;http://alistapart.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A List Apart&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://csszengarden.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CSS Zen Garden&lt;/a&gt;.

The nearest I get to actual design is taking someone else&#039;s draft design and creating a usable version of it using CSS. I can&#039;t give you any good references for that, as I would be approaching it from the exact opposite direction (implementation) from you (creation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Doug &#8211; my experience is in the actually programming of stuff (PHP, JavaScript, etc); not in how to make it look good. I wouldn&#8217;t know where to start with that &#8211; maybe take a read through <a href="http://alistapart.com/" rel="nofollow">A List Apart</a> and <a href="http://csszengarden.com/" rel="nofollow">CSS Zen Garden</a>.</p>
<p>The nearest I get to actual design is taking someone else&#8217;s draft design and creating a usable version of it using CSS. I can&#8217;t give you any good references for that, as I would be approaching it from the exact opposite direction (implementation) from you (creation).</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Butner</title>
		<link>http://verens.com/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Butner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

I am finishing up reading The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3 with CSS, AJAX and PHP, and i think that this should be the next good book to read about PHP, but i was wondering if you knew any good books about visual design and user interface etc, because it seem that is the only thing holding me back from starting actual work on my site.

Thanks,
Doug Butner
dougbutner@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I am finishing up reading The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3 with CSS, AJAX and PHP, and i think that this should be the next good book to read about PHP, but i was wondering if you knew any good books about visual design and user interface etc, because it seem that is the only thing holding me back from starting actual work on my site.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Doug Butner<br />
<a href="mailto:dougbutner@gmail.com">dougbutner@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Suen</title>
		<link>http://verens.com/2008/07/01/review-pro-php-patterns-frameworks-testing-and-more/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Suen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kae,

I am contacting you from Apress to thank you for your thoughtful review of Pro PHP: Patterns, Frameworks, Testing and More this past month. We would like to request your permission to quote from it on our website and possibly on the cover of a future reprint edition.

If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl Martinez, Marketing Supervisor, at cheryl.martinez@apress.com.

Please contact Cheryl or me with your permission, and any special requests for how you would like to be cited.  We look forward to hearing from you soon.

Thank you in advance,
Christopher Suen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kae,</p>
<p>I am contacting you from Apress to thank you for your thoughtful review of Pro PHP: Patterns, Frameworks, Testing and More this past month. We would like to request your permission to quote from it on our website and possibly on the cover of a future reprint edition.</p>
<p>If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl Martinez, Marketing Supervisor, at <a href="mailto:cheryl.martinez@apress.com">cheryl.martinez@apress.com</a>.</p>
<p>Please contact Cheryl or me with your permission, and any special requests for how you would like to be cited.  We look forward to hearing from you soon.</p>
<p>Thank you in advance,<br />
Christopher Suen</p>
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